So what you really say is that you command around a bunch of people who do all the work for you and in the mean time also bend right all the wrong decisions you make?
Because that is what usually happens with project managers that find themselves the most intelligent one.
Maybe you should hire some (intelligent) people to do the Homey project for you.
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Our entity works with bottom to top management and the decisions are taken by our team of technicians that do install and maintain the hardware and software. Iām there to support them, to defend their decisions against our directors board and to open the doors for them. But I will gratefully tell them that you think that they are not intelligent as the work on KNX and Honeywell for a system with over 7000 sensors and more than 9000 actuators and not using Homey.
Guys, slow down! My bucket of 
is already empty, going to grab a new one, BRB.
sorry, this whole discussion canāt be taken seriously, can it?
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Iām with you. Thank you.
Iām not with you, since youāre the one posting all this
and started the whole discussion!
BYE 
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Rest my case. Full of blabla but canāt even get a stupid thing like a Homey to work. Go away man. You only make it worse with every reply. Go manage huge projects and hope the people under you that really do all the work keep doing that, so you can go on taking the credits.
Btw do you know that joke about the guy in an air balloon that asks where he is? Lots of truth in there.
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And then all the other owners who like this car are freaks?
All modders of this care make unreliable mods?
The manufacturer is considered a start-up?
Just extending your analogy here.
If you really think domotics can be compared to an industry which is making its products for over a century, you got another thing comingā¦
The world is just not like you might want it too.
For us it does. You have still not given a reason for making your point here, after you have already said goodbye to your Homey.
Should we all abandon our Homeyās too?
Send angry mails to Athom?
Tell you how much we are disappointed that Homey didnāt work out for you (like in: never)?
Why? WHY?
If you think you are so much intelligent than us, why just not leave us poor people with our pitifull Homeyās to struggle with all our domotics problems?
You are soooo way above us! 
This freak waves a glad goodbye to you too!
(Just started my 3rd! 
)
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Wow TS, Trump syndrom?
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OK. This will be my last and long post here and after that you can call me an Ahe or whatever you want as I will not come back to take a look at it and you will be alone in your cercle of elite users. I just talk about the guys who reply in an way that attacks me personally instead of staying on facts. Most of the community members are not concerned by this as I experienced them as helpful open minded guys that understand facts, like Athom does, and do not say that people that actually experience problems that are independant from their skills that they are to stupid to use Homey. But some guys here even do not accept what Athom agrees. I will just recall that my post was polite and that the first reply talked abou B****t and insulted me personally, so it was not me starting with all this. Nevertheless, I will happily leave you behind me, while regreting to leave all the nice and helpful guys in this community.
I will do here a last review of some things in my initial post:
The idea behind Homey is amazing and on paper it is the best device you can imagine. the truth is that it is far away from prime time. The Z-Wave range is a joke. I can live with the fact that I have to buy Z-Wave Range extenders and so on, but not with the fact that time triggered flows do not launch, my Spirit valves do no work reliable because homey has time out errors. They work like a charm on my old eedomus system, so the valves are not the problem. Then homey was updated to firmware 6 and my Panasonic Climatisation stopped working.
Iām clearly recognize the good concept and idea, but Iām talking of real problems that I experience and for wich neither the community nor Athom (direct contact by mail) has no solution. Whatās so negative on this ?
The idea with community apps is great, but they are nor reliable. No guaranty for the skills of the developer, no guaranty that the app is supported and continued.
Where do I insult the hard working community. Iām also an developer and I released some high rated products. Nevertheless, I also have my limits and skills have to be acquired and are not always easy to get. If someone tries to help with an app, and he works hard on it but may not have the high level skills for this, this is not to discredit him, but in credit for him. Fact is still that he is not paid for this, has no contract to fulfill and the app may be buggy. The best apps I ever developped were those that I need for myself and that have grown to a full product. Community developers abort their software when theyself switch to something else and by reading this forum, this is what happens regulary and itās natural.
Here you see that Athom is still a startup that does not have the resources to support the product.
Why am I attacked by saying that Athom is a startup. They were founded in 2014 and launched their first product the Homey 1.0 in 2016 as a kickstarter project. In 2021 Homey is still their only product. They have 23 employees. They are defacto a startup.
Community apps are just good to fill a gap, but Athom should develop their own ācertifiedā apps for the major products and the Spirit Valves are the most sold in Europe. Iām willing to pay a reasonable amount for certified apps that are reliable. The user should be able to take the risk to install a free community app or a certfied app that he has to buy to be sure it is supported and reliable, or as long as Athom has no solution for new products take the risk to add it with a community app.
This is just the way other successful companies with similar products assure stability and reliability, like Mediola or HomeSeer. I do not say that this is an absolute guarantee but works relatively good
For me, homey is actually a gadget for freaks, but far away from a reliable solution. Sorry, if this sounds to hard.
Maybe I should not say freaks, maybe itās not the right term as Iām not a native english speaker. Iāve done many experimental solutions with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino and Iām also a freak in this way, but for my Home I need something more comforting
My next adventure will be a Hubitat Elevation C7 that is ordered and may be later Home Assistant
Hey, Iām talking about an adventure. Iām not sure it will be that superior to Homey and even sure that it does not have this nice interface, less protocols and so on. So why be so offensive ? But talking about Homey as an easy solution for starters is not fair as long as they have to google, to contact the community, to contact Athomā¦
To all Homey fans, I wish you all the best and I hope that Athom will one day be able to deliver a prime product with your help.
I praise the community, wish you all the best and hope that Athom will release a better product (hardware or software) with your help. Again I do not discredit anyone.
Good bye and have a nice experience
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I think it s good you wrote your story. And i hope athom will take into account to be the best domotic system in near future.
Right now it s great for me and very frustrating too, as it s missing elementary functionalities that are so simple to implement like automations vs scenes on smartthings which is so logicalā¦
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Hooray!!! 
Letās hope you live up to that promise!
BYE BYE! 
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Just out of curiosity I read through this post and your (limited) earlier messages.
I am amazed at the effort you still put in explaining why you are leaving with homey and even keep responding. This is why even you say āthis is my last post and read on this forumā, I am pretty confident that you are still reading these answers.
The thing that annoys people (or me at least) is your attitude. Ok, so it does not fulfill your exact needs. That does not mean it does not work well. It does not for you. For most people, it does exactly what it needs to do. So, maybe it is not entirely al on Homey, but also a little bit on you.
You seem to have great knowledge and experience, given the fact that you are a senior building contract whatever manager but also a developer and a tester. And work with KNX and very large houses. Wow. I am so impressed. Please keep on mentioning that, it really impresses people here because the majority of āusā here are just inexperienced, not too intelligent people with jobs not even worth mentioning.
Typing that, it seems even stranger that most of us do have their Homey working as it should and a smart guy like you canāt even get the time triggers working.
Before you do come back and insult me as a fanboy or freak, I am not. I am just a simple guy wanting to automate his home and succeeded at that with the help of the friendly people at this forum.
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Most of us already had before and will have long after you spent your 3 weeks here. 
Anyway , on to your next project!
Good luck finding out how to add non official drivers for your Spirits to your Hubitat system and building logic into your flows. You almost have to be an intelligent project manager for thatā¦ So i would recommend to keep Homey for some time, just to be sure.
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Certainly true. The product is apparently more for enthusiasts than consumers, also reflected in the forum, as the barrage of comments here shows
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I am certainly not one to condemn criticism of Homey or Athom. But you should remain objective and not reflect your anger on the members of the forum.
It is not possible to buy a smart home system that meets all requirements. The art is to combine different systems so that your own requirements are met. I use Homey, Conbee, Hue Bridge, Hubitat, Logitech Hub, Switchbot Hub, Home Assistant and LaMetric. Homey is the brain and controls everything. Only the combination and strengths of each system result in a powerful smart home.
Just having the Hubitat as headquarters wonāt make you happy.
Some of the people here in the forum are specialists who know more about Homey than Athom itself. I would be very careful to call them fanboy or freak.
Personally, Iām a fan of the boys who are great homey freaks!
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Amen
Of course they are. But you have objective critics and Johan Derksens. I think this topic falls within the latter category.
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Should I be flattered as 62 years old house wive to be called a freak? I automated all my house with homey combined with google. No problem with all the help I have got of many very helpful forum members.
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[quote=āUndertaker, post:37, topic:46706ā]
It is not possible to buy a smart home system that meets all requirements. The art is to combine different systems so that your own requirements are met. [/quote]
Hear-hear!
I agree with you Homey is not perfect, itās not the golden bullet. It has its weak sides, it has its limits. The thing isā¦ you canāt compare homey to a professional large system where one usually has control over all infrastructure, devices and protocols. And even thenā¦ donāt get me started!
Over here, homey works. Most of the time. Good enough for now.
Some features are not polished or not finished (like the awake feature, the occupancy detection or the zigbee flooding problems where you need to insert delays or the system will skip nodes).
So yeah, sometimes you need to work around these issues and it can be frustrating at times. It is what it is. Just donāt trust homey to keep your castle safe when going on hols (been there, did that, got the T to prove it!).
As a professional, TS should know not to compare homey to a professionally designed, built and deployed large-building-control system. We all know that homey is not the perfect plug-and-forget system youāld ideally want. And I do agree Athom seems to suffer from growing pains every now and again. There obviously is no unlimited budget nor are there unlimited other resources. It is what it is. Butā¦ there is a bunch of good folks that do provide help, here in the forum! No, they wonāt be able to fix everything. And yes, there are lot of devs out there creating drivers & plugins of varying quality and success. Most of them however are doing great - and they do not even get paid for it!
Now, you can either accept that and carry on or throw the towel. If you decide to leave, than leave. Youāll soon find out the grass on the other side of the hedge is not greener than here.
(steps of soap-box)
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