Moving on and ditching Homey!

We all needs to understand that we also “live” out of future device sale. We are using cloud services, waiting for future upgrades and similar all funded from thate sale like Leon said.

If the road this is going is not acceptable for you I really thing you (and I) should seek different solution. No point settling for something you do not like.

When I find something that is so universal like homey currently is (kaku, fibaro, doorbird, netatmo, aquara…) I will switch if I would be unsatisfied with homey. Currently I really do think homey is the best home automation platform for my case.

I somehow think that athom should design some official way for flows over web gui for pro users using pro. Who purchase the pro payed a bit more for complex environments and those guys are possibly using complex flows.

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I agree with most of the comments mentioned here, I won’t however switch from homey, at-least for the near future (lesser of two evils). In stead I have home assistant, mysql and node-red running in parallel to complement the (missing) features of homey.

Indeed the web-app is a missed opportunity and a decision that is hopefully re-evaluated in the (near)future, but instead of a petition i’d rather see a page where we (the users) can request enhancements/fixes and be able to vote on these.

side note, I also do not understand the “homey pro” device decision, imho the Pro version should be kept in a cupboard and have no LED, no IR and no Mic’s, instead it should have a LAN connection (in addition to the wifi) more RAM and a beefier CPU…

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A pro version makes no sense at all without pro tools… Who would spend months building and testing something using a phone? That cannot be saved and backuped? Pro means debugging, copying, restoring etc. So either we can hope for this or watch while Athom gets more disappointed users…

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As new hardware emerges I don’t think it’s too hard to suspect a backup/restore tool will be available soon.

I have just migrated my house from Vera with PLEG to Homey. I’m not looking back. Despite some things was better in Vera, I have an over all better feeling with Homey. Some 40 devices and 80 flows migrated in less than a month. Vera with PLEG logics took considerable longer to create.

To @Rockhoppers I can only wish you good luck and hope you find the grass greener on the other side. Not just a different shade.

Very good question, Like all the answers to this questions this is gonna be the same: We don’t know when, It’s will be done when it’s done. The latest information we have is :

Backup & Restore

Homey v2.0 has a new settings storage (based on SQLite), and from v2.0 Homey Apps are automatically using this improved storage as well.

Homey v2.1 will then include Backup & Restore functionality, which backups your Homey’s settings to the cloud.

— Emile

All the most recent news can be read with in the previous behind the magic blog. There is scheduled to be a new blog coming on the first Friday of each month.

I have not yet upgraded to 2.0.
I loaded the new app on my iPad and saw that it is a phone only app that I can only use in portrait mode.
I cannot imagine editing my flows in such an app.
I can live with a phone app for most features.
But flows… I saw someone is working on a flow app. It is the flows that is the issue.

I have the money to upgrade to the new Pro Homey and I would not have hesitated if the 2.0 still had a proper UI or at least had a mobile app that worked on a tablet in landscape mode. That larger display and more overview makes all the difference.

My current action is that I have installed Home Assistant on a Raspberry Pi, bought a Z-wave stick, and Zigbee stick. I have ONE Zigbee item paired with Homey so I may actually just ditch that. I intend to continue letting the Philips Hue box take care of Zigbee.

Home Assitant is a piece of total geek shit. I am not recommending nornal brain type people to go that route. But with Home Assistant I can do everything in a large browser window. I can overview the flow (Automations) on a large screen - just as text instead of graphics.

I am not decided yet. I love the Heimdal app which is 99% of what I use Homey for. But if I can implement my security system in H.A then I will not upgrade to the Homey Pro. And I will not upgrade to 2.0. I will just throw the Homey in the electronics bin at the recycle station.

It is a pitty. It was such a promissing product. But argh! This just took a wrong turn. I cannot imagine myself expanding my home automation with a product where I have to sit with a small phone screen and control flow for now more then 50 devices. It is just like look at the world through the tube from a toilet roll.

It is such a pitty

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No, wait, do not throw it away, I’ll offer you €5,00 for it!
Together with the savings on the trip to the recycle station, this is worth a pint!
:slight_smile:

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wow :zipper_mouth_face:

Are you so disappointed with this platform that you want to switch to a hard to set up system like HA?

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I can offer $10 :slight_smile: I need a device for development …

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I fully understand your frustration regarding the missing webinterface. I also think it is definitely the wrong decision to only focus on the phoneapp (which won’t work without internet btw). Despite all the “hosanna” sounds there are many users that feel the same. The phoneapp is nice but the lack of making flows with a big screen and a normal keyboard is a showstopper for many. I however think that Athom sooner or later will start to realize that a Homey without a decent way of making flows will not be enough to keep the users happy and keep up the sales. And at the moment there are financial consequences they for sure will take action. With the new API it shouldn’t be a huge effort to give the (future) users what they actually need. So before I will throw my Homey in the bin I will wait a while and see what will happen. Until then I will stay on 1.5.13 and maintain my flows via the webinterface.

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I guess it needs a repeat:

Whinning about the missing interface has its own topic, please do it in there, this is the last repeat.

So what are people allowed to whine about here? It gets confusing…

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They have a different set of problems there. Lack of interpreting more devices, zigbee that isn’t working properly yet they refuse integration of the hue bridge, unstable crashing system and nobody has an answer why it is happening, flows are rather limited and no if then or else, HomeKit is still beta etc.

I switched from homee to Homey :joy:

I do think AtHom needs to be a lot more active here in the forum. I just find it weird that they don’t really interact here

I have moved to iobroker. Works fine now with all components and the signal strength is much better. I am using a MSI cube with 8 GB of memory and now i have no problems with my large amount of components.
And I have my Desktop to configure my Smart Home.
And I have at last a german interface.
I think Athom has a great product, but now … from prosumer to consumer.
Too bad :frowning:

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Indeed quite strange that Athom is not active on the forum. Are they not interested in their own product and customers? Many future customers DO read this forum and make their decision whether to buy or not based on user experiences from others. To me sometimes it looks like Athom doesn’t take their customers seriously and only focus on what they think is right. Some others confuse positive feedback with whining which is even worse.

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Tough subject. To be honest, I understand @Rockhoppers and may be going the same route that he has taken.

I bought Homey for my SmartHOME and not SmartAPARTMENT or SmartFLAT. What I want to say here is that I have a House (not a Villa, Chateau, Mansion, etc) and I seem to be expecting too much from the poor chap.

Now let’s take a look at a HOME shall we? You have at least 2-3 Bedrooms, one living room, one kitchen, a laundry room, maybe a home office and a garden. Now my rooms all have 1 motion sensor, 1 Thermostat for the radiators, and a switch for the lights. I have over almost 40 Zwave devices in my house, but do not think FOR A MOMENT that I can get a good mesh network going with homey. I have Tx errors all over the place although there are 4 devices that aren’t even 2 meters away from homey. Strangely THOSE are the ones causing the most trouble.

Now let’s start adding apps shall we? I have Chromecast devices, Philips Hue, RING Doorbell, a house full of Bosch Home Connect devices, and a Tado smart Thermostat (Thank god I have this. At least my presence now works since THAT controls it).

Homey is a damn good concept! I love the fact that my devices are in one place and I can have one device trigger when a totally different device does something. For example: When the Ring Doorbell detects motion and the sun has set, turn on all the lights in front of the house! Or when TADO notices that I am at home, then set my Status to “AT HOME”! Brilliant!

But not all is good in the Homey universe.

To put it simply: I am suffering MISERABLY with Homey.

  • Fibaro Devices aren’t running smooth. Some have had Tamer alarms for weeks if not even MONTHS now. Since the update to v2 my dimmers are acting strange and not slowly diming the lights on or off when a flow is triggered
  • My Spirit Zwave thermostats aren’t working as they are suppose to. 1) I have the Fibaro Motion Sensors telling the thermostats what the current temperature in the room is but that only works on a couple of thermostats.
  • For some reason my Fibaro switches just shut lights off for no reason.
  • The BOSCH HOME CONNECT App is about as usefull as wiping your bottom before taking a dump. I have no idea why that was even built since I can’t even turn on my coffee maker in a flow, let alone turn it off.
  • As everybody has noticed: Presence detection is a hit or miss. (More miss than hit)
  • Flows are great! But have no use whatsoever when a flow is triggered and the communication with the device fails and the flow just kind of “gives up”. Example: When the last person left, and nobody is home -> turn off all devices. I have no idea how many times a light was left on because the flow just broadcast an order for all devices to turn off, but doesn’t really confirm if it has been turned off.
  • Fun little thing that I have NEVER got to work: When the battery of a device is less than 5%, then send me a push message saying “the battery in DEVICE_WITH_LOW_BATTERY is low. CHANGE IT!”
  • Google Home integration: Ooooooh boy. I have no idea how many times google told me that my Harmony account is not linked. It got so bad that at one point I almost bought a harmony (whatever the hell that is) just to shut google up.
  • Now shoot me if I am wrong: But wasn’t homey 2.0 suppose to have some kind of room presence function built in it? I could SWEAR that I read on one of the blogs that they were going to integrate that so we wouldn’t have to have 2394729384 Timers running. Did I miss this function? Is there and I can’t find it?
  • Desktop app: WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE THEY THINKING?!? Yes, if you have a SmartAPARTMENT or a SmartFLAT then you probably COULD manage everything with a very Very VERY sexy app (yeah, the new app is sexy!) But a HOUSE?!? Dear god…I dread the day where I have to reset Homey and do ALL my flows all over. And then I saw the app on my iPad. At the risk of repeating myself -> WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE THEY THINKING?!? I mean COME ON, if you are going to make Homey completely APPtastic then put some effort into it. Give me a better experience when I am using the homey app on a tablet and not on a phone!
  • No Firmware updates for my devices. (Okay, not really Athoms fault…but a big drawback when using a third party vendor)

And here is the moment where I stand a a crossroad. Finding an alternative for homey really isn’t that simple. We are in the year 2019 and it really isn’t easy to find a unit that does zwave+! Then you have the question of weather or not you can connect ALL your devices to it.

But then on the other hand….would I rather have a system that can do less, but do that perfectly, or do I want a system that can do a lot…but not that good?

Cheers!

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:gun: The blog stated it would be coming after 2.0. - off the top of my head I think it was June’s blog.

Then I was half wrong :smiley: You can shoot me in the leg :wink:

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I was also only half right, here are the details, talking about security update, cameras, sharing flows, wifi set up etc.