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Power camera via ceiling lamp

Hi,

I have a Wyze cam which I want to install near my frontdoor. I don’t have a power socket there, but there is a ceiling lamp. I’m not an electricien, can I somehow feed the camera directly with the wires which go to the ceiling lamp?

Or maybe a surface-mounted socket can help, which I install near the lamp on the ceiling? Also for this option I need some help which colors and wires I need and how to connect them.

Thx in advance!

Your socket need Blue and Brown. And if its in a wet room you Need Green/yellow

If its not a wet room, and you havinng the Yellow/green on the celing i would conect it also.

so blue on blue ect ect

Thx for answer. I think only brown is normally not there in a ceiling lamp, is it? That means I have to put it there from the switch, right?

If you mean with the celing light, the “Centraal doos” then its there because from there they spread out in the room as the name “centraal” already saying

Yes, I understand, but the ceiling lamp is outside, above my frontdoor. Don’t think there is a ‘centraal doos’

Ah no then i guess you have to pull a extra wire, and i guess the tube goes to the “centraal doos” in your hallway

There are “smart” solutions that do not require pulling wires:
Replace the bulb from the front door by a smart bulb controlled by homey (hue or any else).

Smart bulbs want continous power so now you can remove the switch and connect the black wire directly to the brown. (Or leave the switch but make sure you never turn it off.)

This way the black wire in the front door box will supply contiuous power that can also be used for the camera.

Thats not aloud, to use the black wire as fase. (or the rules must be changed)

Not sure about this one, but most of the time the black wire is 1,5mm2 and there for just for switching lights and so. Not for a socket wich could be using power up to 16amps.

Doesnt matter if you just using for the cam.

Would it work, ow yess

Ha, in coloring sheme black is hot. Black cannot actually should not be used for neutral or ground but black is usually a power feed (fase leg). So connecting those two is exactly like fkey said as closing the wall switch. The same happens with the wires.

Regarding thickness of the wire, 1.5mm is usually for the lights but 1.5 can easily be for the wall outlets that has smaller power need. Actually 16ams for the 1.5 wire is also withing the standard but usually its protected with max 10A circuit breaker.

All in all what @FKey said is not standard way of connecting stuff but yes it will work without issues. Do I recommend fiddling with a electrical wires, no i do not unless you are an electrician.

So when black is a power feed, what color is the “schakeldraad” ? They did not make up those colors just for fun ofc!

Isn’t a “schakeldraad” a power feed as well? Just not a permanent one.

Yep. So we all know it’s not permanent.
Just one more comment here then:
If u don’t know what ur doing, don’t do it!

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Exactly, black is power feed usually going from switch to the load. Usually. It’s not mandatory, you can use brown just the same but it’s not best practice. Maybe in Netherlands it’s mandatory but generally it’s not. The point is that black is hot (power feed) and who ever sees the black needs to act like is hot untill he makes certain its not.

By connecting the brown and black you have the same situation like the wall switch is closed, so for sure that is not something out of ordinary.

But yes, do not play with wires unless you don’t know what you are doing.

usually its protected with max 10A circuit breaker.

Not sure where you living, but over here in the netherlands its 16 amps

1.5mm with 16? 2.5 is usually 16A. 1.5 is extremely rare to see on anything other then lights. I have it in bathroom area for the bath tub and is behind 10A.

Black is de switching wire " schakeldraad" the direct wire “fase” is 2.5mm2 BROWN

“The minimum core cross-section of copper cables for power and lighting chains is 1.5 mm2 (see clause 524.1 and table 52.2 of NEN 1010). By way of derogation from this, for pipe installation wire, the nominal core cross-section must be at least 2.5 mm2 for the supply of wall sockets for general use in homes. The purpose of this is to prevent overloading of lines for the supply of wall sockets. This is because large devices can be connected to the sockets, such as electric heaters.”

We are arguing around pointless things. Brown phase (live), black load (live). Yes I agree. Nontheless this can but not mandatory be like that.

What fkey said is doable nontheless.

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if its aloud or not, iam not god who knows everything rules could be changed over the years :slightly_smiling_face:

Just read the commit of roco ….

The most importent thing is that he is making it good and save. If not , i dont care thats his choice. But then iam happy that he is not my neighbour :rofl:

And the NEN1010 is for Dutch rules yes, not common rules.