Then More (v0.3.0) - add Timers to temporarily turn on devices

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#1

Then More v0.3.0
Then More adds more options to then column in your flows, to enable devices for a give amount of time.
https://apps.athom.com/app/com.synplyworks.thenmore

It is inspired by the possibilities provided by the CountDown app, but easier (and probably a bit more efficient) to use. Also thanks to other apps, like blowfish for getting me started and Heimdall for providing some examples of the code/API.

Please let me know if it works for you as well, so I can promote it to stable. For now it works for me :wink:
If you are missing functionality let me know as well, and maybe I can add it in a new version


#2

Great app now i can delete a lot of flows with timers


#3

can you explain a bit more why this app is easier to use / work with when compared to countdown?


#4

Hello,

I just use the existing delay button in the action cards to create a simple countdown action (e.g. turn light on and 5 minutes later off)


#5

This is not a countdown action but a delay. Countdown is used very often by lots of peeps to keep the lights on while there is movement. Delay actions cannot be used for that while the countdown actions are perfect for this. The delay cannot be stopped or overruled while the countdown action can be stopped and/or reset at any moment.


#6

@rhannink you can of course use two action cards, one to turn it on, and one to turn it off, but (as Rocodamelshe says as well) this has one shortcomming: your lights go off after the timer, which cannot be reset. So say for instance you trigger your doorbell at 20:00 so your lights go on at 20:00 and will turn off at 20:05. However when you ring again at 20:04 your lights are still on, but will be turned on again (which doesn’t make any difference), and get turned off at 20:09 as well. The first timer is however still running, so at 20:05 your lights are turned off again, which is annoying when you just reached your door. So you switch on your lights with a switch, but since the second timer is running as well, they are again turned of automatically at 20:09. If you now turn on your lights again at 20:09 with the switch, you now have to turn off your lights with the switch yourself, since no timers are running. You probably understand this, but who else in your house knows this?!

That is why people install the countdown app, which is used to (re)set a countdown timer which will turn of the device(s) when the timer reached 0. triggering the timer (by pressing your doorbell) will reset the timer, so extending the time your light will be kept on.
@Jeroen_Somhorst This however requires at least two flows to be defined. One triggering the countdown timer, and one turning the lights off when the timer has run out (and nicer one to turn lights on when the timer has started). It gets even harder when you want you have (multiple) lights to turn on, only when they are not already on. Or when they have to restore to their original brightness when they where already on (I have a flow where I increase the brightness of the lights at my frontdoor when someone rings, keeping them bright as long as my motion sensor in my hall registers I am still in the hall).

With this app you can control the timeout of your devices, even based on multiple flows. Every flow can also have different timeout values as well, and you can define the strategy you prefer: keep the longest timeout (the value of the trigger, or the currently remaining timeout) or set the timeout of the current trigger; without turning the lights off in between.


#7

Great work!
Question: What’s the use of the shorter timeout setting?


#8

Thanks.
The keep shorter timeout is maybe a bit too much. I used sensible defaults for all options, so keeping things at default would probably give you the desired effect, but to answer your question:

The keep shorter timeout option can be of use when you have multiple triggers for the same device, that have different timeout values. For instance two motion sensors. When the first triggers a light with a timeout for 1 minute, ande the other sensor tirggers the same light but you set the timeout for 2 minutes, if is easy to say you now expect the light to be kept on for 2 minutes.
But what if you trigger the sensors the other way around? First setting it for 2 minutes, and then 1 minute. Should I keep the timer for the remaining of the 2 minutes (when more than 1), or reset it to 1 minute anyway? This is the strategy that you can configure with this setting.


#9

Ok.
I think the timouts settings is only relevant with the setting “Control it anyway”.
If I understand the usage correctly I suggest renaming settings like this:

  • Keep longest timeout
  • Shortest timeout wins
    If this setting is removed I would like to have the first alternative permanent.